http://www.straitstimes.com/print/Latest+News/Singapore/STIStory_178280.html
Nov 19, 2007
They can lead to scraps between cabbies and passengers
By Maria Almenoar
WHILE travelling from Yio Chu Kang to Tanjong Pagar, a passenger in a taxi chalked up $6 in various surcharges.
When asked to pay for these 'add-ons', the expatriate man refused and stormed out of the taxi despite taxi driver Foo Say Hock's explanations.
'I followed him inside the office building, found the receptionist and asked her to explain it to him. In the end he paid,' said the 60-year-old taxi driver who has been driving for eight years.
'We explain most of the time or we hand them the receipt to clear up doubt. But a simple model might be better for both sides.'
Several taxi drivers The Straits Times spoke to said that the series of surcharges added on to fares can sometimes get them in scraps with their passengers.
Even with taxi drivers claiming they are honest and that these are legitimate charges, passengers still believe they are being taken for a ride.
What leads to these disagreements?
In most cases, it is because the main panel on the meter does not reflect all the surcharges.
During the journey, the panel generally reflects the flag down rate and the charges based on the distance travelled.
When a passenger reaches his destination and asks for the fare, he expects to pay what is on the screen, but instead the taxi driver presses a button on the meter which then gives the full fare.
These surcharges, however, are reflected in the receipts of majority of the taxis.
ComfortDelgro, the biggest taxi company here, for example, said that their receipts show clear breakdowns of the different surcharges which are in place.
Among the surcharges which are in place are the airport surcharge, peak hour surcharge, public holiday surcharge and the call booking charge.
There is also the Electronic Road Pricing charge which passengers must pay, and the staggered midnight charges for taking a taxi in the wee hours of the morning.
While experts agreed that these charges may seem complicated to commuters, most supported the view that these charges served specific purposes.
NUS Professor Lee Der-Hong, however, believes otherwise.
The professor with the faculty of civil engineering pointed out that removing the surcharges and raising the flag down rate would work because for example, there would be difficulty in getting drivers to 'work the graveyard shift'.
5 comments:
(#2) hongchris
November 19, 2007 Monday, 07:42 PM
Errr... who are the 'experts' mentioned here? CEO of taxi companies? People who don't take taxis? You mean we have experts in Singapore and yet the situation is getting worst? Who is paying these experts!??!
(#3) AndyMike
November 19, 2007 Monday, 07:45 PM
Let's face it. With LTA as the licensing authority for cabbies and taxis companies, and yet refusing to "recognise" that taxis do actually form part of the public transport system so as to do away with all these surcharges, there will be no end to all these fare/surcharges.
I do not think the numbers of taxis that are plying at any one time is one of the contributing factors for traffic congestion in the first place. Fare-hikes and other increases in fare will ultimately lead us back to round 1 of the problem again.
If LTA is REALLY keen in solving existing problems, then it should RECOGNISE that cabs are indeed a form of public transport amid a luxurious one though. LTA should be discouraging the use of private cars to ease the flow of traffic and not penalising cabbies by subjecting them to ERPs and other surcharges. This will not only encourage more cabbies to ply within the business district to cater to commuters but also commuters from outside the business district. In addition, it will also improve the earnings of the cabbies.
Increasing flag-down rate and any other related fare-hike had proven to be only short-term measures as commuters will ultimately turn to other mode of transportation.
I am sure that LTA would not want to return back to the situation, again, whereby an increase in fare would result in lower demand for cabs, which will result in touting by cabbies again.
(#4) rufino1995
November 19, 2007 Monday, 07:58 PM
There is a group which is advocating for the cancellation of the surcharges and raise the flag down rate, I wonder if this is being considered by the relevant authority? Sadly, in another news it has been suggested to add another surcharge , it seem that we are capable of only "tunnel thinking".(the late charge could be retained for obvious reason)
(#5) Misnomer
November 19, 2007 Monday, 08:03 PM
If the CEOs have no more ideas, and is getting free consultation from the public, they should take a pay cut. Remove all the silly surcharges, raise the flag down rate. Like any other industries, workers of the grave yard shift gets added remuneration.
Looks like nobody wants to bite the bullet.
(#6) abductboy
November 19, 2007 Monday, 08:28 PM
There are already many charges and surcharges to taking a Taxi.
1. The usual flag down rate is $2.50.
2. Peak Hour surcharge is $2.
3. In CBD during 5pm-8pm (Mon-Fri) another surcharge $1.
4. Flag down Rate (Non-CBD) (7:30am-9:30am)~(5pm-8pm) is $2.50+$2 = $4.50.
5. Flag down rate in CBD (5pm-8pm) is $5.30.
The Commuter is already paying heavily to pay for his taxi ride.
Why are we giving in to the Taxi Bullies????
I can think of REAL REASON why taxis are not picking up passengers in the city.
BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PAY ERP.
Frankly, if I am a Taxi Driver, why should I pay ERP to enter CBD to pick up passengers? What if I didn't manage to get any passengers?
The ball is really in the Government Court to remove ERP charges for Taxis, as they should be considered Public Transport.
(#7) lestherch
November 19, 2007 Monday, 09:03 PM
Are we getting anywhere near to solving the taxi woes?
No.
Just heard that another Member of Parliament suggesting of more surcharges?
Another top talent with their non-practical assertion.
This was a self-inflicted problem by LTA,
Management with huge EGO and high esteem that refused to LISTEN.
IF only LTA were to listen to the PUBLIC,
all these problem would have disappeared long ago.
Firstly,
there are the numerous surcharges that no one understand.
Secondly,
the Big Taxi Operator are part of SINGAPORE INC,
and are seldom or never penalised.
Thirdly,
the "Scholar or Top Talent" at LTA have HUGE Ego and HIGH self-esteem.
For their high salary,
they refused to acknowledge the mistake of the surcharges and continue to implement more and more ridiculous policy, like the recent penalty of more fines and penalty on errant drivers.
They should dealt a serious blow to the taxi operator who are "in league" or "refused to act" even after numerous complaints.
Removing the taxi licences will be more appropriate than the demerit system or fine or temporary suspension.
You are just waiting for the "storm" to blow over,
and the situation will be back in "square one".
You are not solving any problem,
you are adding-on to the increasing problem.
LTA
Fine the Taxi operators and removed the licence of the errant drivers.
LTA,
stop all the stupid surcharges.
LTA,
please listen to the Public,
for a win win scenario,
there is no "losing face",
keep your Ego in check.
MPs and Ministers,
are you really living in reality?
do you know your problem?
or are you living in your million dollar dream
(#8) sti_moe0100
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 06:17 AM
Keep cabby fares as simple as possible. Current system is simply too complicated.
(#9) cabie123
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 06:58 AM
I have read a lot of the comments. No one seems to see the taxi drivers point. He has to make a living too.
Firstly I would like to point out that I too used to think like the most of you who have written, but now that I am a cab driver I see things in a different light.
1 A cab driver has no off day.
2. A cab driver has no sick leave. Even when he is sick he has to work.
3. A cab driver has no leave. When he goes on leave he has to still pay rent.
4. On public holidays a cab driver has to work. The $1 surcharge does not help much as the most he would get is between $10 to $15.
5. When a cab driver is involved in an accident the driver is responsible and has to bear the full cost as the taxi has only 3rd party policy.
6. The only time the driver can make some money is during the peak hours. After that most drivers are going around empty.
(#10) kkchust
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 07:01 AM
Singapore's problem? Too many smart alecks in the government!
Perhaps we need the MM to resolve this problem once and for all.
If the taxis companies around the world can operate
(#11) cabie123
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 07:02 AM
Become a cab driver and then you will understand.
you want charges dropped then the cab driver might as well drive you for free.
(#12) hongchris
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 07:22 AM
cabie123, I think most people understand your situation. However adding more surcharges is not going to help the situation for both yourself and the consumers. When midnight charges are implemented, taxis goes missing half an hour before the stroke of midnight. So as history speaks for itself, adding more surcharges is just diverting the siutation.
Your taxi operator association should do more to cover your welfare like CPF contributions, etc. Taxi companies should revamp the entire taxi rental system if needed, I don't think all cabbies like the idea of being your own boss and running your own 'business'.
(#13) lobo_respawned
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 08:45 AM
#9
most of us do understand the cabbie's point of view. You should note that many mentioned 3 things when asked for ideas to improve the situation.
1. REDUCTION of rental (for taxi drivers)
2. Simplification of fares
3. Increase starting fare (for taxi drivers)
(#14) bennisg8
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 09:07 AM
I wonder why our well informed politicians are not listening to what comes out from the horses mouth. It is time to revamp the taxi fare system. The surcharges should go (except mid-night surcharge). I just wish one of the many taxi operators around nowadays would buck the trend and scrap the surcharges. Increase flag-down fee to, say $6.00, charge $1 and $2 for booking during off-peak and peak hours respectively.
(#15) rufino1995
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 09:46 AM
hi cabie 123,
I understand, your job, in the present context is underpaid.
What we are suggesting is how to improve your well being and that of commuters at same time.
The flag down rate should be increased to the point that it makes economic sense for the driver to pick up any commuters all the time, without the surcharges.
(#16) Knightmare
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 09:49 AM
20 years down the road, Singapore's cab charges is going to be the next Japan.
(#17) onenonly
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 10:50 AM
People and companies must adapt to an ever-changing environment. For service providers, this ought to mean constantly seeking to improve, not aggravate.
When I was in Tokyo in end-Oct, I took a cab after a night of merry-making. I noticed that the vehicle was a Hyundai. The Japanese are very "ai4 guo2" and for them to drive a Korean car must be very difficult. Yet, the reason given to me was that the Korean car was much cheaper than a similarly-sized Japanese model and it was purchased by the taxi company to rein in costs instead of passing on the costs to the passengers.
(#18) onenonly
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 11:45 AM
Coincidentally, a HK friend called me just now and I took the opportunity to ask about the taxi situation there.
His practice is to make a pre-booking by phone. His preferred driver gives him a 30% discount on the fare for long distances costing about HKD100. Other call bookings give him a discount of 20% for the same route.
(#19) noellow
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 11:52 AM
This is the government which still thinks that what it plans and implements for the country is good for its citizens.
Notwithstanding the almost daily outcries that the transport system is far from satisfactory especially the taxi problem the government is simply nonchalant about the whole issue.
All the surcharges only benefit the taxi operators. They not only increase the cost of living but make it very complicated for the ordinary folk. It is making life difficult for the taxi drivers (as illustrated in today's news) to explain about the charges each time to every fare.
So far only Seng Han Thong, a PAP MP, and a lady MP (PAP) not only supported the surcharges but stated they should be increased to make it more attractive for taxi drivers to be on the road more often.
How can the increase in surcharges benefit the taxi drivers when the surcharges go to the operators in one form or another? Will it really encourage more taxi drivers on the road? This tactic had been deployed many times in the past but never achieved the desired result. It has become cyclic to the tune that PAP MPs are just playing with the party line to jack up the cost of living.
What can we as citizens of Singapore do when the government despite all the outburst against the transport system does not even bother to tell us how it intends to solve all these issues? Have all the government bodies so involved in international policies that it neglects the bread and butter issues of Singaporeans?
All we citizens of Singapore to shut up, listen to and follow the government plans of action all for our good so that we will sacrifice in order that they get big fat pay.
(#20) PATZGI
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 12:10 PM
what is the point of promoting public transport when the cost is moving up. Why do the govt need to give cab drivers the incentive to make a living during peak hours or public holidays? Isn't having more customers during those time an incentive? Our fellow s'poreans are having a too good life. They should look at taiwan or hk or even china where cab drivers do not have surcharge yet they still plough the street at all times. But I still agree on late night charges.
(#21) ryanyeoryanyeo
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 12:30 PM
All the 'smart' people we got in LTA and taxi operators will never admit that the tier pricing system in Singapore is the main cause of the taxi problems we have today. And we have even smarter people like Seng Han Thong who thinks that more surcharges will solve the problem. Talk about being detached from the ground. Once you scrap this tierring system, you'll easily solve the majority of the taxi problems. HK taxi drivers own their cabs so they earn as much as they work. They dont pay rental fees to taxi companies who dont give a hoot about how hard the taxi drivers lives are, other than how to increase surcharges to inflate their year-end bonuses. But who else to blame for the situation... just buy a car.
(#22) alim
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 12:44 PM
I'm a Singaporean living and working in HK. Though I love coming home, the taxi system here irks me and it is also giving Singapore a reputation overseas - a bad one. If I as a local finds it difficult to get a cab when i desperately needed one, just imagine the tourists who have no idea of alternative modes of transport.
What do we do? I think we should study and implement the good practices of cab systems in major cities, like HK. In HK, booking charges are HKD5 (S$1) irregardless. There is thus not much incentives for cabbies to 'hide' and wait for calls instead of picking up street jobs, especially during the peak hours. There should also be an independent hotline or feedback centre to 'blacklist' cabs for 1) not picking up street jobs when they have their sign on 2) selecting customers 3) selecting destinations. Such cabbies should be warned then fined should they chalk up the penalties.
Now on the side of the cabbies, I agree that taxi operators should pass on more benefits in terms of lower rentals and higher revenue sharing for telephone bookings to the cabbies to help with their rising costs of fuel and if the booking fee was to be cut. Even with the S$2.50 booking fee now, I was put on hold on the line for > 5mins on numerous occasions before I could speak to the operator and another 5 mins before I get a cab. Why should I pay S$2.50 for such poor service? Taxi operators can do so much more to improve the cab system in Singapore and therefore our image internationally.
(#23) janiene
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 01:05 PM
Singapore will never be the next HK. Singapore's public transport systems sucks big time. For those who have never been out of this country will praise Singapore's public transport system.
I have lived in HK for 3 years, and now I am singapore PR.
During my stay in HK, I found that it was needless of me owning my own car as taxis, MTR, ferries, buses, mini buses and trains are so convienient.
The average waiting time for MTR is around 2 mins during peak hours and 4mins during off peak hours.
Buses on average waiting times are 5mins and 10mins (peak and off peak).
Mini buses practically have no waiting times. Just flag one down when you see one, which is so often, maybe 1-2 mins.
Ferries from Central to TST, waiting times are around 5mins.
Trains takes a little longer, average 3-6mins.
Singapore buses, average waiting times 15-20mins.
Taxis? Never one when you need one or they have the busy sign on but actually selecting customers.
MRT. Average waiting times are about 7 mins.
How can Singapore compete with HK?
(#24) lobo_respawned
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 01:43 PM
location surcharge?
scenario 1
say on this stretch of road, with lamp-posts label A, B, C, D, E, ...
There is a location surcharge starting from lamp-post C onwards. so someone, say X walks 5 mins to B to wait for cab so as to avoid the surcharge. Then taxi comes... the brake is, of course, 'erratic' and only manages to come to a stop at C. So X lan lan have to pay surcharge.
scenario 2
X waits at B. new person, Y comes along and waits at C. Even though taxi drives pass B first, he is ignores X, and pick up Y.
(#25) chiasongmoh
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 01:45 PM
Kudos to all our experts, especially LTA and MPs. This is the present mindset of our Government, any problems encounters, they will suggest increase rates or prices to cope with the problems, just like the ERP and others. Can't they think of something else better to solve the issues?
(#26) inconceivable
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 01:59 PM
Why not use the double-edge sword method? Increase the flag-down fare to say $7.50 and incremental $0.50 for every 100 metres. Also increase all surcharges across the board and lets see who will benefit from this public transport service after awhile. This will teach these recalcitrant Taxi drivers and their cohorts that they cannot hold the public at ransom! For all you poor commuters - just be patient. The greed will get the better of them and we can all jump for joy when they desperately go on their knees and beg the authorities to revise the fares downwards.
That should be one good way to get back at them. Let's see who will have the last laugh?
(#27) sl1962mt
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 02:27 PM
I am of the opinion that since there are so many polytechnics in Singapore and the never ending news we read of how capable our youngsters are , can't we just get someone to develop a meter that has all these surcharges programmed into it ? Makes things easy !
What you see on the meter is what you pay !
(#28) lestherch
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 03:07 PM
There is hardly any kind word to describe the state of affair of the taxi problem.
It is just a "no brainer", with surcharge after surcharge,
using money to solve a teething problem that failed to go away.
It was a failure in the first place for the surcharges,
and no one in management in going to admit or accept it,
they just piled on the problem with more and more surcharges,
you can hear another MP with additional surcharges for location,
another "no brainer".
How can these people with no proper experience be implementing policy,
have any ever experienced the taxi problem?
the bus problem?
and the MRT problem?
the public transport problem as a whole?
There is no such problem in Hong Kong so why can't we learn from Hong Kong.
is it another "lose-face" mentality?
Policy that goes wrong must be re-looked into,
another "ego" problem?
(#29) kriscai1
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 05:26 PM
you know what, guy?
we complain about ERP charges - solution? increase ERP charges and throw in a few more new gantries to boot
we complain about expensive HDB flats - solution? increase HDB prices, even for existing unsold ones
we complain about high cost for MRT/bus fare - solution? increase bus fare, MRT fare
so now, we complain about taxis, the natural solution is to increase fares and surcharges lah!!
dont you guys see some sort of pattern here? complain = increase prices
dont need taxi surcharge experts, HDB price experts, MRT/bus fare experts or ERP/gantry experts here lah.....just increase price...
(#30) kenaspammed
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 06:55 PM
In a recent news report published by the ST, it was reported that some of the foreign experts on the LTA panel did suggest to allow more competition in the public transport sector ... unfortunately, taxi was not mentioned ..... if my memory serves me ok !
(#31) AndyMike
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 08:10 PM
It makes me wonder if LTA refusal to recognise taxis as a form of public transport so that they(LTA) will not lose out in collecting more ERP fees from commuters OR is it that they (LTA) just simply choose to ignore the fact that taxis are indeed a form of public transportation.
It also makes me wonder if those at the top of LTA are really capable in problem solving and that they are REALLY WORTH being PAID that much of a monthly salary. I really have my doubts about the capability of those people at the top. It seems that for every solution they provided, a new problem, and related one, soon follow.
Can somebody please explain?
(#32) dengrace
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 09:04 PM
I was a frequent user of taxis and now a full time taxi driver myself for 21/2 yrs ,I totally agreed with Mr.Han Songguang's suggestion of raising the flag-down rate. Lets look into the conseqeunces of this move:
1. Raise flag-down fare to $4.50 (normal taxi)
2." Call a taxi" flag-down fare $9.00
3. Mid-nite surcharges 2am-6am 30% extra on meter fare
4. Raise airport surcharge to $4.00 whole day
5. Cancell all other surcharges including ERP pls.
How it will effect everybody.
1. Taxi driver - They will initially suffer a drop in ridership but then its even out with the higher flaf-down fare, I guess making the same amount from fewer trips is a welcome change for most drivers. Lesser trips, less stress,less haste more time for better customer service. No more hide and seek, higher call flag-down fare ($9.00) will result in less calls and more street jobs. Errant taxi driver will have ply the streets like most of us, the lazy ones will give up, so much better for the bread and butter drivers.
2. Commuters- The freuquent users will continue, most know that our current fare is one of the cheapest in a developed country. The fare increase is about the same that they pay during peak hours. Short trippers will skip the taxi unless necessary. (Some trip fares can be as low as $2.60.) These will free up more taxis on the road. As for those who complain the most, can now realise what cheap and good taxis they use to have.
This will also help to dispel the misconception that taxi is a form of public transport, which infact its a chauffer-driven service.
Commuters now will plan their trips better and more may switch to Buses and MRT, Hurray! This fits the Ministry Of Transport's aim in the new white paper.
3. Taxi Companies- I guess they will face with drop-out rates from thier current fleet. But then will get less complains!
No amount of increase of fare is popular but no amount of increase in taxis will solve the current problem. The imbalance of supply and demand of taxis here is only during the peak hours and peak period. Commuters must realised why dispite their great dissatisfaction of taxis service, they continue to yearn for it,Cheap & Good. students use them, foreign labour workers use us, dosmestic rushes for them during their off days, if all want taxis at the same time - 'Taxi sure no enough'
Its a fare driven demand, raise the flag up fare, let demand and supply find its balance like the favourite saying goes let the market forces decide.
I guess commuters must know that taxi drivers are self-empolyed individuals, but expected by all to be a public transport service provider. Sometimes I feel Taxi Drivers are worse off than maids, they are given days off by law but we have to be on the ball for 362days, 3days off per year! ( company only gives 3 rent free day per year)
This may not be the perfect solution, but the only reason it will not be implemented is because the big boys Taxis companies fear that with the drop in taxi riderships, will eventually lead to less Taxis needed meaning less rental revenue.
Less calls for cabs less call levys for them and may even suffer losses on the expensive call system.
Until then, cummuters will continue to complain and Taxi Drivers will forever be the punching bags but Taxis Companies continue to be profitable!
I sincerly hope that my views will be heard.
Thanks
(#33) Misnomer
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 10:47 PM
#32, good one dengrace, did you send this suggestion to your taxi company. They should do more consultation than coming up with more silly surcharges.
(#34) kenaspammed
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 10:55 PM
the flag down fare is S$2.50 for first one km is a joke.....who would take a taxi for one km or less ? most would just walk ..... just 2.5 rounds of the running track equivalent
therefore if the flag down fareis increased, say, to S$4.50, then the minimum distance ought to increase as well, say to 4km. That is about the same rate now BUT the cabby will gain if any one takes a taxi ride for less than 4km with the minimum fare of S$4.50..and this will deter short trips and make taxi usage more efficient for both cabby and commuters
(#35) Vlahov_21
November 20, 2007 Tuesday, 11:26 PM
#32
Can publish a guideline?
(#36) lobo_respawned
November 21, 2007 Wednesday, 12:13 AM
#32
most of the points are okay except for point 2. It is in fact booking fee... which means some of your colleagues will continue to play hide and seek.
(#37) cutedaddy
November 21, 2007 Wednesday, 02:51 AM
recently,it seems that everyone is making a big fuss of taxis' surcharges,whether those already in operation or those suggested.isn't the main problem the attitude of those few errant taxi drivers,not the charges implemented?so,why not make it compulsory for ALL taxi companies to equip all taxis with state of the art cctv system to monitor the drivers to ensure that they don't break the law in any way and be of a disservice to the country?i believe only that can and will deter taxi drivers not to tout,overcharge,behave professionally when on duty?
(#38) tasiku
November 21, 2007 Wednesday, 10:19 AM
We should send the Ministers, MPs and LTA on a trip to China and HK. In these countries, one never encounter any problem getting a taxi even during peak hours or after midnight. The answer is simple. NO SURCHARGES!!! No surcharges = no taxi problem. All the taxis are on meters; and if taxi drivers do not use their meters, they risk having their licences revoked. HK is especially tough on enforcement.
MM's idea that you pay ministers and civil servants well to get the best brains is flawed. All it has produced is a team of idiotic ministers and civil servants who can't think of any innovative solutions except increase surcharges; so that they can be paid more!!!
(#39) lestherch
November 21, 2007 Wednesday, 10:48 AM
That is the sad truth
although none will admit to it.
What kind of no-brainer policy of implementing surcharges for any taxi problem,
it started with the airport, then to CBD.
So now, any location that has problem with taxi,
the "no brainer" think-tank will introduce surcharge.
What kind of people had we put in place to come out with such policy.
Did we vote CORRECTLY.
(#40) lobo_respawned
November 21, 2007 Wednesday, 10:48 AM
#38
why spend money sending them to overseas? just confine the MPs to using taxis for 1-2 months, and they will get the idea. Must give them a fixed budget, if they overspent, they can start taking bus/mrt. Improve our whole transport system in one go.
(#41) Vlahov_21
November 21, 2007 Wednesday, 02:41 PM
Don't need to send.
They have been there countless times.
(#42) cc1034
November 21, 2007 Wednesday, 03:20 PM
For the public information, can anyone tell when Ministers and MP travels, they fly 1st or Business or Economy??? In Singapore we have too many scholars who are good with their brains only on paper and reports but of no earthly practical use. Many of the scholars are going through the motion. They are only interested in their own career advancement and income. Many start calculating how much moines they can earned and their career roadmap instead of really using their "talents" to solve problems. They are good in producing nice reports and some have the gib of the gap. After so many years, how many of our scholars have come out with their very own inventions or designs which they can call their own, or they merely ride on others or join with orthers and shamely claim that it is their own work.
(#43) joecool51
November 21, 2007 Wednesday, 06:35 PM
That's why some of them are scholars but not innovators or trailblazers!
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